RWU Interview with "Boomer" author Linda Niemann

Linda Niemann's‎ "‏Boomer:‭ ‬Railroad Memoirs‭”‬ is one of a handful of
outstanding books,‭ ‬like Ben Hamper's‭ "‬Rivethead‭"‬,‭ ‬that have documented
industrial working class life in the United States,‭ ‬as experienced by
the children of the sixties.‭

"‬Boomer‭" ‬vividly illuminates how a generation of railroad workers faced‭
‬the receding standard of living for workers in the seventies and‭
‬eighties,‭ ‬in prose that jumps from the page,‭ ‬pulling no punches when it‭
‬comes to explaining how a collapsing capitalist economy bears down on‭
‬ones personal life.‭ "‬Boomer‭" ‬brings to life the unique work experience‭
‬lived by‭ "‬rails‭"‬,‭ ‬the folks that work the endless river of trains that‭
‬move the lifeblood of the‭ ‬US economy across the mountains and plains,‭
‬mostly unseen by the majority of Americans.‭ "‬Boomer‭" ‬also is a‭
‬documentation of the experience of women‭ "‬trespassing‭" ‬in occupations‭
‬formerly exclusively held by men.


‬Linda Niemann has generously agreed to be interviewed by Railroad‭
‬Workers United by RWU Co-Chair Jon Flanders,‭ ‬taking time from working on a new book.‭

‬Linda,‭ ‬as one of the first women to be hired on the transportation side‭
‬of the railroad industry,‭ ‬back in‭ ‬1979,‭ ‬you were one of the female‭
‬pioneers of that time,‭ ‬breaking down barriers in formerly all male job‭
‬trusts.‭ ‬Not to mention the nepotism traditional in the railroad world.‭

‬Did you see yourself in that light,‭ ‬as a gate crasher for women‭?

It was hard not to,‭ ‬since everybody was always throwing out this party line that we should be home cooking or something.‭ ‬I mean,‭ ‬this was‭ ‬1979.‭ ‬I just thought it was quaint.

Since you ran into a‭ "‬party line‭"‬,‭ ‬did you develop a‭ "‬party line‭" ‬verbal
response‭?


Well,‭ ‬there was really no point in arguing with people about anything...‭ ‬I learned that in my marriage.‭ ‬So,‭ ‬I tended to rely on the disgusted look.‭ ‬I did make sure,‭ ‬though,‭ ‬that I did my job.‭ ‬And I found out that if I did the work,‭ ‬the same people that had‭ "‬objections‭" ‬would work really well with me.‭ ‬Being an intellectual,‭ ‬it was eye-opening to realize that what people think has little to do with what they do.‭ ‬I just did my job,‭ ‬treated people with respect,‭ ‬and generally got treated the same.‭ ‬That didn't mean I changed any opinions.‭ ‬I probably didn't.

I recently watched the movie and read the book about Lois Jensen and
some of her female co-workers,‎ ‏who faced horrendous harassment on the
job working in the‭ ‬Iron‭ ‬Range of‭ ‬Minnesota‭

‬Did you get anything like that kind of treatment on the railroad‭?


On the railroad,‭ ‬there wasn't the same level of harassment as in other types of non-traditional jobs.‭ ‬In the first place,‭ ‬we depend on each other for our lives.‭ ‬So that means you depend on me,‭ ‬too.‭ ‬There aren't any non-critical positions on a crew.‭ ‬Unless you are a real psycho‭ (‬and I only met one,‭ ‬really‭) ‬you are not going to mess with someone who can easily get you killed.‭ ‬In general,‭ ‬railroaders are a warm and trustworthy bunch of folks...‭ ‬but then you already know that.

In the last several years,‭ ‬we have seen a hiring boom on the railroads
as baby boomers retire.‭ ‬What would be the advice you would give a woman today considering railroad work
‭?


Advice for women considering the job would be that if you are reasonably athletic and are not‎ "‏accident prone‭" ‬...‭ ‬go for it‭! ‬Anyone,‭ ‬by the way,‭ ‬can be accident prone,‭ ‬and if you are you should realize that there are no little accidents on the railroad.‭ ‬It's dangerous.‭ ‬But for women,‭ ‬traditional trades offer fair wages and a seniority system that works in your favor.‭ ‬If you have the date,‭ ‬you get the job.‭ ‬No politics.‭ ‬Also realize that the railroad will jerk you around and make keeping appointments and commitments to other people difficult.‭ ‬Since women traditionally keep the home running smoothly,‭ ‬ask yourself if you are independent enough to take it on.


Have you had an opportunity to see any changes in the attitudes of young
male workers‭?


Do I notice changes in the young male worker‭? ‬Can't really answer that,‭ ‬since I was the baby on the board for‭ ‬20‭ ‬years and the only students that showed up were in my last year on the job...‭ ‬1999.‭ ‬Since I was beaucoup years older than them,‭ ‬an old head as it were,‭ ‬they followed me around like ducks.‭ ‬That was a change all right.


What would you say to a young male worker about working for the first
time with a woman on the railroad‭?


Advice to young men working with women for the first time‎? ‏Don't hit on them at work,‭ ‬for starters.‭ ‬Treat them like everybody else.‭ ‬I think young people are more into the equality thing than even my generation was.‭ ‬It has taken integration of workplaces for that to happen,‭ ‬and it will take sufficient numbers of women showing up in the freight yard for it to happen there.

Let's talk a bit about the changes in the nature of the work that you
lived through in your twenty years on the rails.‭ ‬You get into that‭
‬in one of the last chapters of‭ "‬Boomer.‭"

‬Is there still such a thing as the‭ "‬switchman's craft‭" ‬in the age of
computers,‭ ‬remote control and the two person crew‭?


About the craft,‎ ‏I'm concerned.‭ ‬We learned from the old heads,‭ ‬and it was by watching them over time.‭ ‬They always came up with the slickest moves.‭ ‬Being on the extra board,‭ ‬I was usually in awe of them.‭ ‬When I finally worked a regular job,‭ ‬I started to get it.‭ ‬If you do the same thing every day,‭ ‬you start to do it with less wasted effort.‭ ‬You start shaving minutes off each move.‭ ‬But extra people don't get that kind of regularity.‭ ‬The craft itself changes,‭ ‬of course,‭ ‬and expertise moves along with it.‭ ‬It takes skill to read a computer print-out.‭ ‬But I've been told the company now won't let people do skilled moves like drops and Dutch drops.‭ ‬Even kicking cars,‭ ‬I was told recently,‭ ‬requires‭ ‬5‭ ‬years seniority,‭ ‬so certain aspects of the craft are probably gone forever.‭ ‬Nobody is going to invent the wheel by themselves.‭ ‬You need old heads showing you how to do it safely.‭ ‬Lantern and hand signals are another thing.‭ ‬What if radios fail‭? ‬You need basics for back-up.‭


Did you witness any organized resistance to the cuts and changes,‭ ‬either
from the ranks or the union leadership‭?


Did anyone try to oppose the company during all the give-backs‭? ‬I think the unions fought for better contracts,‭ ‬but no contract was better for me,‭ ‬practically‭ ‬the baby on the system‭ ‬the whole time I was railroading.‭ ‬Since we essentially can't strike,‭ ‬only‭ ‬3‭ ‬days before the government steps in,‭ ‬we need to be the constant‭ ‬squeaky wheel by filing‭ ‬time slips and grievances to see that the company lives up to the contract we both sign.‭ ‬Of course we live up to our part of the deal...‭ ‬we have no choice.‭ ‬The company,‭ ‬however,‭ ‬seems to think they have the choice to ignore the sweet deal contract they signed.

You don't mention attending union meetings in‭ "‬Boomer.‭" ‬Were you able to be active at all,‭ ‬given the nature of your jobs‭?


Did I go to union meetings‭? ‬Yes,‭ ‬when I could.‭ ‬On the extra board,‭ ‬it's hard.‭ ‬It's also hard to get to meetings when you work in a place like the Bay Area which is so spread out.‭ ‬You are not going to drive over a mountain to go to a meeting,‭ ‬drive back home,‭ ‬and then drive back over the mountain to go to work later.‭ ‬I think internet is a great resource for the unions now.‭ ‬They could have virtual meetings where everyone could participate.

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In fact the internet has now made possible phone conferences which can be accessed by cell phone.‭ ‬There are some very interesting implications from this for rail workers.

‬I'd like to talk about your writing,‭ ‬and I imagine I'm not the only
reader of‭ "‬Boomer‭" ‬interested in that.‭

‎"‏Boomer‭" ‬is not just about railroading.‭ ‬It's a deeply personal account‭
‬of questions of sexuality,‭ ‬substance abuse and problems with‭
‬relationships.‭ ‬All refracted through the distortion field of the‭
‬brakeman's work.‭

In retrospect,‎ ‏do you have any regrets about how much you revealed about your life in‭ "‬Boomer‭"?


The short answer is no.‎ ‏I'll spare you my rap on how persona is not really you,‭ ‬anyway.‭ ‬I know what you mean by the question.‭ ‬If the reader is going to trust you and see themselves in your story,‭ ‬you have to be as honest as you can be in a memoir.‭ ‬Believe‭ ‬me‭;‬ I haven't invented any human desire or behavior.‭ ‬We're a lot more alike than not.‭ ‬If the reader hasn't had exactly the same experience I had,‭ ‬they have had some experience that resonates for them when I tell my story.‭

Did you end up working with people you wrote about‭? ‬Ben Hamper has a
hilarious account in‭ "‬Rivethead‭" ‬about how a newspaper column he wrote
bit him in the butt on the job.‭


Did I work with people I wrote about‎? ‏Yes‭! ‬And they came to bookstore readings.‭ ‬Of course,‭ ‬with sensitive material I changed the person's name and description,‭ ‬so not to do harm.‭ ‬Being in a book is not the same thing as being on the‭ ‬5‭ ‬o'clock news.‭ ‬You have become a character and as I said before,‭ ‬it's not really you,‭ ‬anyway.


How did you manage to recall so much detail concerning the episodes you
recount in the book‭?


How did I remember‭ ‬detail‭?‬ Wordsworth said imagination is powerful emotions recollected in tranquility.‭ ‬That's kind of how it works.‭ ‬You store parts of events in your memory.‭ ‬You go back and find these tags and reconstruct a day around them.‭ ‬Is it accurate‭? ‬For the memoirist the question is really‭ "‬does it feel accurate‭?" ‬You are filling in the gaps around a memory hook.‭ ‬You do the best you can.


Well,‭ ‬remembering the details of a shove you did‭ ‬10‭ ‬years ago is a remarkable feat in my book.‭ ‬And that's the kind of detailed writing you will find in‭ "‬Boomer‭" ‬and‭ "‬Railroad Voices‭"‬,‭ ‬the latter I just finished reading this morning.

‬I should mention that‭ "‬Railroad Voices‭" ‬is a coffee table style book with the writing mainly by Linda and pictures by Lina Bertucci,‭ ‬another female‭ "‬brakie‭" ‬who worked on the‭ ‬Milwaukee Road in the seventies.‭ ‬She has become a well known photographer since.‭ ‬The pictures are stark black and whites,‭ ‬with portraits that remind me a bit of the work of the German photographer August Sander.‭ ‬Believe me,‭ ‬this is a compliment.


‬You are now working on a new‭ ‬book‭;‬ could you tell us something about the ‬project,‭ ‬what you are trying to do in relationship to the first two‭?


The new book,‭ ‬called‭ "‬Railroad Noir‭"‬,‭ ‬is‭ ‬collaboration with photographer Joel Jensen,‭ ‬whose work is as edgy as mine.‭ ‬Joel's camera does not turn away from alcoholism,‭ ‬loneliness,‭ ‬desolation or the beauty of those lonely desolate western places where trains run.‭ ‬We have worked together in‭ ‬Trains Magazine for several years and I wanted to see what our two parallel essays....‭ ‬a literary one and a photographic one,‭ ‬would be like together.‭ ‬My part is a continuation of my railroad story,‭ ‬why I left the railroad after‭ ‬20‭ ‬years in‭ ‬1999‭ ‬and what led up to that decision.‭ ‬I am also going to go back and talk to new hires about their railroad now,‭ ‬as well as ask the old heads what they think of things.‭ ‬Kind of a dialog between old and new,‭ ‬for the ending of the book.‭ ‬I also want to describe certain craft skills before everyone forgets what they were.

‎ ‏I've mentioned Ben Hamper's‭ "‬Rivethead.‭" ‬Are there other working life‭
‬memoirs you've run across that you would recommend‭?


The ones I read before writing Boomer were B.‭ ‬Traven's‭ "‬Death Ship‭" ‬and‭ "‬The Carreta‭"‬,‭ ‬but any of his novels really take on certain crafts in detail,‭ ‬George Orwell's‭ "‬Down and Out in‭ ‬Paris and‭ ‬London,‭" ‬and Melville's‭ "‬White Jacket.‭" ‬There's also‭ "‬My Life in the Iron Mills.‭"

Finally Linda,‭ ‬what do you think about the effort to organize
the Railroad Workers United Caucus across all the railroad crafts‭?


As to RWU,‭ ‬I joined as an adjunct member.‭ ‬I think it's a very good idea to have a forum for discussion.‭ ‬There used to be this cool newsletter out of‭ ‬Roseville called‭ ‬Snakebites.‭ ‬It‭ ‬hasn’t come out in a while,‭ ‬but you would really get the skinny on what was going on at ground level.‭ ‬Very irreverent.‭ ‬Any organizing is good organizing as far as I'm concerned.‭ ‬The company is pretty monolithic and doesn't respond to anything but the bottom line.‭ ‬Workers have to formulate what their interests are before they can work for them.‭ ‬Right now it seems like the traditional unions are on the ropes,‭ ‬defending disciplinary cases.‭ ‬They are not in a position to move forward.